Tuesday, 7 February 2012

feature request: entering notes with the mouse

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View the msg source Started by !ME! on 2005-07-09 08:22:33
Why can't you enter notes with the mouse in NWC? This feature exists in most notation software, but why not NWC?

View the reply source  Reply 1 by Lawrie on 2005-07-09 08:48:42
You can.

View the reply source  Reply 2 by !ME! on 2005-07-09 11:55:54
Not like the way in Finale though... That feature is even in Finale Notepad, and many others...

View the reply source  Reply 3 by Lawrie on 2005-07-09 12:24:49
Not like the way in Finale though...

That is thankfully true - Finale is a right royal pain to use in comparison to NWC.

View the reply source  Reply 4 by Rob den Heijer on 2005-07-09 15:19:13
NWC has a long term strategy of preventing RSI claims ;-)
Seriously, entering notes with the keyboard is far, far quicker and more accurate. Why copy a bad thing?

View the reply source  Reply 5 by Robert_A. on 2005-07-09 21:22:03
Why couldn't I right-click when I used Mac? ... etc. That's just the way it is.

View the reply source  Reply 6 by Lefty on 2005-07-09 22:10:47
THE MOUSE IS EVIL!

Just use the keyboard.

View the reply source  Reply 7 by Lawrie Pardy on 2005-07-10 02:11:23
<snigger, snigger>
Do you know what a GUI was called before MS got to it?

The boys at Xerox PARC and Apple called it a WIMP interface - Windows, Icons, Mouse and Pull down menus.

I think its still a good name... :)

View the reply source  Reply 8 by Rob den Heijer on 2005-07-10 05:34:56
Hang on, now. It's not a Keyboard against Mouse War. Compare it with Word and Excel: it is possible to use Word as a spreadsheet, and it is possible to use Excel as a word processor.
The best solution is: use each where it performs best. I have seen an Autocad user, using the tablet to enter text - with the mouse!
When you are using Noteworthy, use the keyboard, 90 - 98 % of the time, and use the mouse if you have to. When you are using Paint Shop Pro, other way around.

View the reply source  Reply 9 by Lawrie Pardy on 2005-07-10 06:29:25
It's OK Rob, I agree.

The right tool for the job every time. I just couldn't resist stirrin' the pot a little :)

View the reply source  Reply 10 by !ME! on 2005-07-10 06:30:34
Not like the way in Finale though...

That is thankfully true - Finale is a right royal pain to use in comparison to NWC.
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You're right. In Finale and most other notation software, it's impossible to enter notes like the way in NWC. It's one of the best features of NWC.

View the reply source  Reply 11 by !ME! on 2005-07-10 06:33:08
NWC has a long term strategy of preventing RSI claims ;-
Seriously, entering notes with the keyboard is far, far quicker and more accurate. Why copy a bad thing?)
Because sometimes it could be very useful.

View the reply source  Reply 12 by Lawrie Pardy on 2005-07-10 06:36:37
Because sometimes it could be very useful

Not if we lost current mouse functionality as a result - a very real risk!

View the reply source  Reply 13 by Andrew W. on 2005-07-12 23:46:29
I've tried many other notation and composing programs. Using the keyboard to enter notes is one of the main reasons I like NWC the most. Trying to enter an E three lines above the treble clef with the mouse is frusterating (VERY frusterating). But if you really think entering notes with the mouse is easier for you, go ahead and use the other programs.

View the reply source  Reply 14 by Rob den Heijer on 2005-07-13 07:03:39
Frustra = Latin for 'in vain'. Hence 'frustrating'. Frusterating sounds charming, though. Something like flustered with frustration.
And yes, I'll stick to the keyboard (not literally). We have four cats at home, and no mouse is safe. One cat even fetches fluffy mice, so we can throw 'em across the room again.

View the reply source  Reply 15 by Robin Withey on 2005-07-13 08:10:22
Maybe "flusterated" would be even better!

View the reply source  Reply 16 by Andrew W. on 2005-07-13 14:31:01
OK, so I made a spelling mistake. But the point is, the mouse sucks. Keyboard rules. End of story.

View the reply source  Reply 17 by Cyril N. Alberga on 2005-07-13 18:11:55
Don't apologise, you just gave some of our lingi-humorists an excuse to riff.

View the reply source  Reply 18 by Lawrie Pardy on 2005-07-13 18:24:13
What Cyril said. 'sides, I like Robin's "flusterated". Some of my customers make me feel _very_ flusterated :)

View the reply source  Reply 19 by Lawrie Pardy on 2005-07-13 18:26:37
...so does trying to use the Finale user interface. That was Finale's grand finale as far as I am concerned :)

View the reply source  Reply 20 by opagust on 2005-07-14 16:53:28
I have just 1 cat, and she's not interested in my mouse.
She likes to jump onto my desk and walk over my keyboard
when I'm working on my computer.
Is'nt that just mlůlmlůmlk;ůml;qdqlsmd,flkqflfq frusterating!?

View the reply source  Reply 21 by Rob den Heijer on 2005-07-14 17:26:56
Our heaviest of cats, named Ember, has a habit of walking on the bed in the morning. My wife could call her Bladderwalker ;-)
Ember really makes you get up and go.

View the reply source  Reply 22 by David Palmquist on 2005-07-14 21:10:23
Mousing in the leger lines is easier if you use a larger staff size (*say 16?) or increase the zoom level, and if you use a layered staff as a place holder. Setting the number of lines in the layered staff and making it a different colour gives you an easy reference to the vertical position of the notes you enter. Delete the placeholder when you're finished.

I think note entry is simply a doubleclick, but since I'm keyboard oriented, I could be wrong.

View the reply source  Reply 23 by Andrew Purdam on 2005-07-15 07:15:34
"I think note entry is simply a doubleclick, but since I'm keyboard oriented, I could be wrong."

[The whole room gasps and looks at David.]

Actually, you are very close, David, and now I can give !ME! a better answer.
You can do note entry by
1) Right-click where you want to go
2) Left-click Note (the top of the context menu)

You can also enter Rests, Chord Members, Barlines and a host of other goodies. ALL WITH THE MOUSE!

Now does that satisfy, or what? :-)

PS: Our kitten used to play on the piano keyboard, but never the computer keyboard. She just jumps up on my lap, even if I'm typing (ie jumps onto my arms)

View the reply source  Reply 24 by Rob den Heijer on 2005-07-15 10:24:47
Lucky you. The most careless of our cats, called Tia Maria, would sooner jump on my laptop than on my lap.

View the reply source  Reply 25 by David Palmquist on 2005-07-15 13:11:48
Our own cats have always been fairly well behaved around computers, but last summer we were taking care of my son's cat Frieda. She was huge, 15 or 20 pounds, with long hair. For some reason she bonded with me, and if I was mousing with my arm on the desk runoff, she would flop down over my arm, making mousing difficult and making it almost impossible to use the keyboard. She also had a habit of lying on the keyboard. Emailing and music notation becomes a little difficult under those circumstances.

Her shedding hair was the reason I got an optical mouse...

Hopefully she'll come back one day, but my son won't part with her...

View the reply source  Reply 26 by Rob den Heijer on 2005-07-15 14:32:28
Our oldest cat, Ember, sometimes jumps on my lap when I´m behind the computer. She then butts my underarms when I am typing. It can get very difficult.

View the reply source  Reply 27 by David Palmquist on 2005-07-15 18:52:01
I couldn't confirm the doubleclick note entry thing because I've moved the button assignments around. However, when I press my wheel, it has what used to be the right click functionality. Just pressing it gives the choice of note, rest, etc. Seems like a lot of trouble though, when keyboarding is so much easier and less prone to error.

View the reply source  Reply 28 by DGF on 2005-07-16 22:42:34
I love cats. - Tastes just like Chicken!
(Sorry cat lovers. Just couldn't resist).

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