 | Started by Peter on 2006-01-06 06:45:50 |
Does anybody what "Legni - Tr. sord." means ?
Something to do with wood instruments ???
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Reply 1 by Steve Mattos on 2006-01-06 09:51:37 |
I didn't know Legni so I looked it up. It means "woodwinds" in Italian. "Sord." almost definitely is short for "Sordino," which in music means "muted." The "tr." could stand for 'tromba' which is 'trumpet,' but the fact that it directly follows 'legni' makes me doubt it. Perhaps it means that this passage of music should be played by all the woodwinds and a muted trumpet (?).
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Reply 2 by Rob den Heijer on 2006-01-06 10:03:21 |
I think that woodwind AND trumpet should keep quiet. It depends on the score - do some instruments share the same staff, so do they play exactly the same notes? And at this point (a quieter passage) only one of the instruments plays this staff?
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Reply 3 by Steve Mattos on 2006-01-06 10:03:32 |
On second thought ....
Nagging doubts prompted me to find out what else 'tr.' could stand for. According to my source, 'tr.' can mean 'double trill.' Furthermore:
before about 1680 the Italian word trillo indicated accelerating pulsations of breath on a single note rather than the 'shake' or trill we find used from the Baroque period onward.
So 'legni - tr. sord.' could mean that the woodwinds should play a muted double trill.
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Reply 4 by Rob den Heijer on 2006-01-06 10:59:05 |
Sounds VERY plausible!
As Jeeves and/or Wooster would have said: Rem acu tetigisti!
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Reply 5 by David Palmquist on 2006-01-06 23:40:56 |
What's a "double trill?"
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Reply 6 by Steve Mattos on 2006-01-07 16:05:49 |
I had never heard of it either, but according to www.dolmetsch.com, it's a trill between two notes more than a tone apart.
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Reply 7 by David Palmquist on 2006-01-08 01:10:45 |
Thanks. I guess the closest I've seen to that is tr#~~~.
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Reply 8 by stuart moffatt on 2006-01-08 19:25:15 |
This intrigued me, I really should not have ben here, and perhaps you, Rob, will wonder why I am.
An earlier comment is helpful. What instrument is playing to respond to the command? Who was the composer? When was the work written?
In a 20th century context and in the absence of any other context I would read it as:
Strings - put your mutes on and play tremelo with the wood not the hair of your bows!
But in an earlier century I would be inclined to agree with Rob. This is a passage for muted brass and woodwind (not muted as mutes are ineffectual on instrments with more than one exit).
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Reply 9 by Rob den Heijer on 2006-01-09 02:24:03 |
Stuart,
It means that you are away, on a well deserved holiday, and/or still convalescing? And you have no access to the Newsgroup there. (so I was left to do all the correcting work by myself) But the Forum is still accessible.
Good guess?
Rob.
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Reply 10 by Roger on 2006-01-09 14:00:29 |
An example of a double trill would be E and C trilling to/between F and D, on an instrument which is capable of playing two (or more) tones simultaneously.
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